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  HTGN Truth & Lies - Posted By: United-States madd Sep 02nd - 2006

Well it's been a long time coming but here comes another article, this time of the more controversial nature. As I'm sure many of you reading this will be familiar with the organization spouting sponsors out of every orifice that is HTGN, I will begin by saying I really have no problem with optimists, myself being one, but when that optimism turns into promises, voice mails, and intercontinental lans, I get a little perturbed.

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Case 1 \ HTGN S1 & Team jCp
[LINK] - The Six Month Wait

In what I believe was the first case of the competitive communities experience with this organization, Just Cause Project entered and won the first HTGN season man down against an unknown pub team. In winning this they were to receive the new Razor mice, now granted they didn't expect next day shipping, it was not assumed that HTGN would take their sweet time to deliver the prizes, half a year later to be precise. Only three Razors were delivered in the end for the man down finals team due to HTGN not believing in waisting prizes on a team that can defeat their "HTGN competition" man down on terribly chosen maps.

Case 2 \ HTGN Video Casting & overRated
[LINK] - Banned By Lizard

Once again the overRated forum battle squad was out in force during the HTGN All Out War Tournament. As oR was gearing up to play ENE in an HTGN\ENE self proclaimed "Match of the Week" which of course warranted a video cast. As many of you know overRated does not entertain any videocasting at all should their strats be given out, exceptions were made when the extra eyes could be usefull in observing the late Parental Advisory. Due to overRated relentless forum complaints, and supported by a large part of community to stop ENE & HTGNs forced videocasting the lead admin of HTGN Bill 'Lizard' Hubard swiftly banned the entire overRated team from all HTGN competition giving Enervate Gaming a subsequent bye to the finals vs IoG where the winners would be giving their amazing prize package pay out. Does anyone else remember when Enervate tried to get oR kicked out of the TWL Invites for suiciding in a mandatory SF Courtyard Preseason match?

Case 3 \ HTGN AOW Tournement May 05, ENE & IoG
Jul 31st, Aug 1st, Aug 10th, Aug 16th - Prize Packages Forgotten

In the above mentioned tournament, Enervate played IoG losing and we were quickly given forms to fill out for the prizes to be sent to our houses, now we had the choice of paying 10$ for speed shipping, or paying nothing for 4-6 week shipping at HTGN expense (what do they pay for month and half shipping I wonder) Never the less, a few weeks later we were informed by general we would be receiving our headsets by the end of the week, and sure enough there they were within five days. Now do not get me wrong, the Steelsound headset is good stuff, but four months down the road I began to wonder where the other prizes were, the multiple T-Shirts, Copy of Fear, Xbox Gaming Gloves, and my favorite, nVidia Laser Pointers. It seems they were never shipped and it is doubtful if IoG will ever be receiving these things at all, yet the second place team has received their large expensive Logitech sound systems on time and with all the speakers in the box! I was informed a month ago when I wrote this, by HTGN|Lizard who after a week of IRC pms finally got back to me with a simple "I'll talk to the shipping department" The lizard king's favorite response to any question is "K" for all those who were wondering.

Case 4 \ Enervate Sports TV & HTGN In Bed
[IMAGE] - Does the E in eSportsTV stand for enervate?

Everyone remembers how EGLN was cock blocked by TWL from video casting the TWL invite finals, what everyone does not know is the details pertaining to this. For many months HTGN required even the most insignificant of matches to be video casted by EGLN due to their "sponsors" requesting such a situation. EGLN was there for the fledgling and still corrupt league. Casting every single match HTGN threw at them untill one day an ENE and HTGN sponsored group emerged filled with ENE scrubs came to, claiming they have "legal rights" over EGLN when it comes casting TWL matches from the soon to be legally cock blocked EGLN Shoutcasters in favor of ENE's in house eSportsTV Group.

And there you have it in a nutshell, basically HTGN turned their backs on the organization that had helped them, and effectively banned them from casting TWL ever again. After the exploiting of the already inflamed TWL situation EGLN's Marketing Director was facing. To further snub their noses in the situation Enervate Sports TV was quoted exclaiming how they really cared little for TWL's business, and it was simply a batch of content for their website, & that TWL was no selling point for them, simply a marketing objective.

Case 5 \ i28 LAN 2006 - Prizes Delayed
[IMAGE] - "I promise they are coming" - HTGN|Hoodini

People have no doubt not forgotten about the vAA LAN problems when it came to the $5000 in prizes that were supposed to be there at the event, but people for love of the game still went to yet another HTGN sponsored LAN event in England @ i28. The organizer of this event was HTGN|ENE|Hoodini and yet again, the event was prize less. The winning team, Vertex was told they will be receiving Headsets, mousemats, and T-Shirts. Of course this is all speculations due to the fact that the prize route is as following.

Now as reported at the lan, hoodini is yet to even receive the prizes himself, from over the ocean, so who knows if HTGN even sent out the prizes to general for their first stop. It's a mystery i'm sure he will be happy to clear up.

Case 6 \ vAA LAN 2006 - Prizes Forgotten & Cut Down
[IMAGE] - "Lizard is a man of his word" - HTGN|GeNeRaL

Now this is the paragraph that took so long, simply because I haven't felt like writing for some time. A month to be exact. It's funny because that is about the time its been since the lan, and still no word of the prizes for 2nd and 3rd placing teams, G^uC & IceNine. The vAA LAN was said to have $5000+ in prizes from sponsors such as logitech, zboard, and steelpad. Included in that were five logitech 5.1 $200 sound systems, which sE`nO`moR described to us at the lan when he informed the group that no prizes were there and HTGN|Lizard had thought the lan was the following week. At the end of the tournament, jCp had taken first and the coveted cash prize of a couple hundred bucks, and promised we would be contacted soon about some sort of shipping for the $5000 in HTGN prizes. Now this in itself was fine by many, and not considered a problem.

No one has been contacted, we have heard through random jCp members that HTGN|Lizard reneged on the prizes and sent two 2.1 $20 speaker sets among a couple of keyboards to sE`nO`moR, Where are the $5000 dollars in prizes you ask? Who knows, probably being saved up by HTGN|Lizard and HTGN|GeNeRaL for their own lans dispite the assurance they they are coming through, honestly what kind of organization is this? I have a suspicion that this is all run from Lizard's garage.

I started this article a couple of months ago but over the past few weeks really stopped caring about it all, the amount of PM's to release the damn thing kept growing and growing so I finished it up, smacked on a few images and bam, instant drama.

PS: Lizard, I want my copy of F.E.A.R.
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    Comments (84)
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 02nd, 2006 at 8:15 PM UTC

And before people stop reading, if you have made it all the way down, if you have any other situations with HTGN, you want to bring to light, please post them in the comment box below.
 
  » BmFb
Posted by: United-States Fausty | September 02nd, 2006 at 8:18 PM UTC

We were forced to replay a match because on a 4v4 combat match we camped in the plane on JRTC Farm. We left the plane once and raped the oponent, and decided to just camp it out for the rest.
 
  » CPL
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 02nd, 2006 at 9:23 PM UTC

Nazilizard was going to sponsor our BYOC and after the oR affair he went into #aapro and banned half the people in the channel.

 
  » HTGN Forums
Posted by: United-States j3sus | September 02nd, 2006 at 11:48 PM UTC

The oR ban from HTGN is hilarious. I only read half the posts on the forum, but im sure i hit all the good ones.
 
 
Posted by: United-States banana_gun | September 03rd, 2006 at 2:44 AM UTC

i still havnt got my g5 mouse when we(ki) won 3rd place in a tourny.
 
 
Posted by: United-States banana_gun | September 03rd, 2006 at 2:44 AM UTC

^^the tourny was in june.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Protagonist | September 03rd, 2006 at 5:02 AM UTC

Don't worry about getting your FEAR game madd. I got mine, and guess what it was just a demo disc.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 03rd, 2006 at 10:30 PM UTC

My 5.1 speakers that I won only turned out to be 2.1.

also.

CAL has yet to send ENE there 4 headsets for winning the plantronics tourney, and i believe CPL still owes NIP 10,000 for 2005 Winter CPL. Keep crying...
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 03rd, 2006 at 10:35 PM UTC

keep crying meaning, there is a lot of problems with prizes being delivered, the only way to get things done is to keep bitching at people till they either tell you no or finally do it.
 
 
Posted by: United-States atog2 | September 03rd, 2006 at 10:47 PM UTC

i think the only positive thing with prizes is that everyone in i9 got their htgn keyboards (from the 1st tourney) within a day of each other and it only took 3-4 weeks

From my experience eSportsTV's has been my major issue:
-loading AA through CDC
-pubbing CS while shoutcasting
-not turning shadows off while in admin mode
-not responding in chat
-being late
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 03rd, 2006 at 10:59 PM UTC

rofl at pubbing CS while shoutcasting.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 03rd, 2006 at 11:25 PM UTC

and about your fear demos. this is what i have to say. and then i point and lawl.

http://www.ene-aa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2617
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 03rd, 2006 at 11:28 PM UTC

oh my bad, thats just the multiplayer, but as zeratul just said in vent, who the fuck plays singal player. lawl. now im done spamming, hope i increased your hit count.
 
 
Posted by: United-States fąıŋt | September 04th, 2006 at 2:49 PM UTC

Fireproof i've heard of possibly 2-3 things that went wrong with cal/cpl not delivering prizes. HTGN seems to be a seasonal occurance. Second off if you want to come on our site and act like a total dumbass that is your call because if I wanted to bitch and complain about ene's league htgn, their vidcast group esports or their forum posts i would be an asshole and get on their site and do it myself. Of course your going to defend htgn, your part of the team that runs it, but good luck going against the other 99% of the people that disagree with you.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Elle Kay | September 04th, 2006 at 7:32 PM UTC

I would say that Madd has a number of good points. there is a great deal of truth in what he says, but equally as important as that truth are the truths which he has omitted.

Through intention or ignorance you have forgotten the flip side of the issue regarding jcp only recieving 3 prize packages and a congruent matter involving oR's ban from HTGN.

oR was not banned for refusing a video cast; (in actualit) they were banned because of a well-known rule which most leagues have in their charters. A rule pohibiting open "flaming" or otherwise defamatory posting on the league's forums. some leagues prohibit such actions on other public forums as well.

Also, jCp's prize issue was one of the rules as well. A player must compete in the final match in its entirety in oder o be elligeble for a prize, if there were only 3 players who started and finished the final match, then there were only 3 players elligeble for the prize pakage. That was a rule before the season began.

I'm not disagreeing with you on the issues surrounding the prizes, but I would like the record to show both halves of these issues.

And as for eSportsTV, as we all know I am a member of eSportsTV and I can assure you that enervate gaming is not affiliated with esportstv in any manner aside from the fact that several ENE-AA players are involved with eSportTV-AA casting. The claim that Enervate is in any way associated, or run by ENE is either a blatant lie or Madd has simply not bothered to research the topic in any way.

As to the quality of the video casts I can only offer my apolagies and assurance that we're working hard to fix the poblems.

If I may ofer a suggestion to those of you who are left with a bad taste in your mouth.

The AA competittive scene is not growing, and it will continue to remain an ametuer scene until people who have influence in the community step up and make it better. The DEVs have shown almost no willingness to make AA a CPL-friendly game, so we have to find some way to make it better ourselves.

To stand around and complain about these things accomplishes nothing, in fact I've seen nothing resembling a solution to any of these problems outlines in your article Madd, which technically makes it merely a rant.

While I agree with you that you have a legitimate gripe, I would put to you 2 questions:
1. What is the solution to these problems?
2. Were do you see AA 1 year from now?

-LousyKarma
 
 
Posted by: United-States moz | September 04th, 2006 at 7:47 PM UTC

these are some pretty strong claims. pretty much the same as ggl not paying out. my team has not received prizes/payouts from either organization.

if only every league/tourny was like the CGL. only event in the history of gaming where the winners walked off with their real 40k check the same day they won.
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 04th, 2006 at 8:04 PM UTC

You are mistaken LousyKarma while the rule the LizardKing may have cited was open flaming, all we did was continue to restate the fact that we were not going to submit to a videocast. The players doing the excessive flaming were not on our team at all but on other teams that were outraged by HTGN's poor decisions.

Secondly when are you and your pathetic team going to realize that you are the only ones that want this game to "go" somewhere. The rest of us are happy with this being an "amateur" community. I play this game for fun, not to become a pro-gamer which is obviously the fantasy that all of 705th has. Your idiotic teammate cites an example of CAL not sending you your headphones yet. Guess what, the competitive community would probably care except for the fact that it is your team that is supposed to recieve them. I don't know how to break this to you but nobody cares about you or your terrible team.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Fausty | September 05th, 2006 at 12:22 AM UTC

To say that AA isn't growing it also false. CAL-AA has grow quite a bit in the last year and looks to have continued growth. As far as the game being CPL friendly, it is more than other people think. I won't tell you how more than you will see in upcoming cal seasons.
 
 
Posted by: United-States dtraf | September 05th, 2006 at 12:23 AM UTC

"In what I believe was the first case of the competitive communities experience with this organization, Just Cause Project entered and won the first HTGN season man down against an unknown pub team. In winning this they were to receive the new Razor mice, now granted they didn't expect next day shipping, it was not assumed that HTGN would take their sweet time to deliver the prizes, half a year later to be precise. Only three Razors were delivered in the end for the man down finals team due to HTGN not believing in waisting prizes on a team that can defeat their "HTGN competition" man down on terribly chosen maps." - m4dd

they got three mice b/c they had 3 players play, there is arule that states a player must play the entire match to get their prize so if you subed halfway, HTGN doesn't have to give you the prize.

Also, i heard that there was unprofessional behavior on jCp's side, they were swearing and stuff like that, not sure if this ist rue but i heard it and they got it so hey

"Once again the overRated forum battle squad was out in force during the HTGN All Out War Tournament. As oR was gearing up to play ENE in an HTGN\ENE self proclaimed "Match of the Week" which of course warranted a video cast. As many of you know overRated does not entertain any videocasting at all should their strats be given out, exceptions were made when the extra eyes could be usefull in observing the late Parental Advisory. Due to overRated relentless forum complaints, and supported by a large part of community to stop ENE & HTGNs forced videocasting the lead admin of HTGN Bill 'Lizard' Hubard swiftly banned the entire overRated team from all HTGN competition giving Enervate Gaming a subsequent bye to the finals vs IoG where the winners would be giving their amazing prize package pay out. Does anyone else remember when Enervate tried to get oR kicked out of the TWL Invites for suiciding in a mandatory SF Courtyard Preseason match?" another quote from m4dd

ENE didn't watn oR banned, we wanted them to be reprimanded, there is a difference. and as far as lizard banning oR, it was b/c they openly flamed the HTGN staff, you weren't in vent m4dd, and they also didn't want a vid cast. That is in the rules that HTGN has the rights to FORCE a vid cast if they choose to do so. I think oR ended up gettin their way anyways. so what's your point?

"n the above mentioned tournament, Enervate played IoG losing and we were quickly given forms to fill out for the prizes to be sent to our houses, now we had the choice of paying 10$ for speed shipping, or paying nothing for 4-6 week shipping at HTGN expense (what do they pay for month and half shipping I wonder) Never the less, a few weeks later we were informed by general we would be receiving our headsets by the end of the week, and sure enough there they were within five days. Now do not get me wrong, the Steelsound headset is good stuff, but four months down the road I began to wonder where the other prizes were, the multiple T-Shirts, Copy of Fear, Xbox Gaming Gloves, and my favorite, nVidia Laser Pointers. It seems they were never shipped and it is doubtful if IoG will ever be receiving these things at all, yet the second place team has received their large expensive Logitech sound systems on time and with all the speakers in the box! I was informed a month ago when I wrote this, by HTGN|Lizard who after a week of IRC pms finally got back to me with a simple "I'll talk to the shipping department" The lizard king's favorite response to any question is "K" for all those who were wondering." another brilliant demonstration of writing by m4dd

ont his i don't know i'll talk to lizard, that's all us as a staff can do

"Everyone remembers how EGLN was cock blocked by TWL from video casting the TWL invite finals, what everyone does not know is the details pertaining to this. For many months HTGN required even the most insignificant of matches to be video casted by EGLN due to their "sponsors" requesting such a situation. EGLN was there for the fledgling and still corrupt league. Casting every single match HTGN threw at them untill one day an ENE and HTGN sponsored group emerged filled with ENE scrubs came to, claiming they have "legal rights" over EGLN when it comes casting TWL matches from the soon to be legally cock blocked EGLN Shoutcasters in favor of ENE's in house eSportsTV Group.

And there you have it in a nutshell, basically HTGN turned their backs on the organization that had helped them, and effectively banned them from casting TWL ever again. After the exploiting of the already inflamed TWL situation EGLN's Marketing Director was facing. To further snub their noses in the situation Enervate Sports TV was quoted exclaiming how they really cared little for TWL's business, and it was simply a batch of content for their website, & that TWL was no selling point for them, simply a marketing objective." quote from m4ddhadr

esportsTV is run by Blaine, he calls the shots, there from what i understand is a contract between esports and TWL that esportstv has the to cast the matches it wants to. However we have had too much on our plate and have let EGLN cast the matches.. i mean it's not like there is very much financial gain from a vid cast on a gaming site.. if it was a LAN then yeah, that's where it gets interesting. but in the end EGLN is casting TWL so why you bitchin?

"People have no doubt not forgotten about the vAA LAN problems when it came to the $5000 in prizes that were supposed to be there at the event, but people for love of the game still went to yet another HTGN sponsored LAN event in England @ i28. The organizer of this event was HTGN|ENE|Hoodini and yet again, the event was prize less. The winning team, Vertex was told they will be receiving Headsets, mousemats, and T-Shirts. Of course this is all speculations due to the fact that the prize route is as following.

Now as reported at the lan, hoodini is yet to even receive the prizes himself, from over the ocean, so who knows if HTGN even sent out the prizes to general for their first stop. It's a mystery i'm sure he will be happy to clear up." from m4dd again

again that is a problem with lizard, i believe it was not $5000 a team, i think it was for the entire LAN, but again i'll talk to lizard see what i can do

overall you had a very nice write up here, atleast the syntax and stuff like that was nicely done, had some hooks and pizazz to it. However please look up all the information before you start to bitch.

I don't see how you can say HTGN is corrupt when there are other league's that make team's play their OT the same night of hte match and another team can play the next day. I think this community is corrupt and none of htem has balls to disagree with the "majority" of the community. See osi, you can say no one like's my team, but i really don't care if you don't like my team or if you don't like me. I dont' like you, but i respect you and what you have to say.

and like you said faint let him come and bitch, he has an ample amount of time now that he is at colllege.


 
 
Posted by: United-States scott | September 05th, 2006 at 12:41 AM UTC

that was gay dtraf
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 1:11 AM UTC

Basically all you were able to do there was pass the blame to either lizard or blaine, ene and all their friends are good at this, so good it makes them useless at proving points.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Magic | September 05th, 2006 at 1:15 AM UTC

"ENE didn't watn oR banned, we wanted them to be reprimanded, there is a difference. and as far as lizard banning oR, it was b/c they openly flamed the HTGN staff, you weren't in vent m4dd, and they also didn't want a vid cast. That is in the rules that HTGN has the rights to FORCE a vid cast if they choose to do so. I think oR ended up gettin their way anyways. so what's your point?"

Then why did General ban me from vent when I asked him to explain why we got banned? Everyone knows the whole tournament was rigged and Lizard has autism. Also, Lousykarma you are such a tool haha pussy.
 
 
Posted by: United-States -Killa. | September 05th, 2006 at 1:17 AM UTC

nice write
 
 
Posted by: United-States Lizard | September 05th, 2006 at 2:21 AM UTC

Interesting read for a 18/19 yr old, first of all get your facts straight before attempting to discredit me or HTGN.

I will not post specifics as to your allegations because they have been all discussed before. As for your statements though you have (just like oR) violated HTGN Competition rules and will be recieving a 30 day suspension for your first offense.

Have a good day and congrats on waisting your time putting together a tabloid article full of misinformed / non researched information that does nothing more than discredit yourself and the team you belong to.
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 2:28 AM UTC

And you will be banned from iog-gaming.com for breaching a clearly defined legal disclaimer, from paragraph two of above documentation.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Lizard | September 05th, 2006 at 2:36 AM UTC

Nice try on the legal disclaimer m4dd .. but you were not suspended for the article ... rather the image files you attached to it which clearly are screenshots of conversations between yourself and HTGN|AA|General ... self incrimination of Section 8.1.9 of the HTGN AA Competition Rules.
 
 
Posted by: United-States scott | September 05th, 2006 at 2:44 AM UTC

sounds like the article hit lizard in a good way. go cry some more bitch. take your section 8.1.9 and blow me. you have no backbone.
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 2:50 AM UTC

less talk more banning
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 3:30 AM UTC

Anyone think I won't get my shit now that ive been suspended even though he clearly states it has been sent in the above graphics?
 
 
Posted by: United-States spyder | September 05th, 2006 at 3:31 AM UTC

post here if your dropping htgn like we are.
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 3:33 AM UTC

Although ReduX was taken out of the profesional division without verification, I ubeen the leader of rEduXz has pulled rEdux out of any competitions @ HTGN.

#redux for all anti-HTGN needs.
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 3:35 AM UTC

and lizard youre a douchebag
 
 
Posted by: United-States n00kie | September 05th, 2006 at 3:37 AM UTC

insert random ENE douchebag here..."GOOD MORE PRIZES FOR US EKEKREKREKTKEKEKE!!!!!!111111"
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 3:43 AM UTC

I have no idea what ekekekrkek means or sounds like but I agree completely.
 
 
Posted by: United-States -Killa. | September 05th, 2006 at 3:44 AM UTC

ubeen u my friend are not the leader of redux. it is dead, and your brother was the leader. i actually pulled redux out of htgn competetition when i left redux, and i knew it would die. so thats how we left htgn.
 
 
Posted by: United-States dtraf | September 05th, 2006 at 3:50 AM UTC

Posted by: United-States HeRPuLeS | September 04th, 2006 at 7:41 PM CDT

that was gay dtraf

why is that gay? b/c my ideas and how i see things clash with how your friend's do?
 
 
Posted by: United-States n00kie | September 05th, 2006 at 3:53 AM UTC

no the simple fact that this is a comment box and doesn't allow for a quotefest...
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 3:55 AM UTC

does the htgn website even have the ability to ban people, its so bad
 
 
Posted by: United-States fąıŋt | September 05th, 2006 at 3:58 AM UTC

He may not have gotten every specific thing right, but i do believe the prizes being handed out never happened or half of the total package was sent. Obviously a league run by a team that is participating in it is going to have its flaws and obviously have several advantages for some people. Of course madd likes to bring up drama but oh well.
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 4:06 AM UTC

YOU BASTARD KILLA

but anyways, joel hasnt loaded AA up and we are both the leaders... us and some washed up AA players turned css.... but anyways


http://caleague.com/data/userphotos/192104.jpg
 
 
Posted by: United-States -Killa. | September 05th, 2006 at 4:09 AM UTC

umm actaulyl i played with joel the past 2 days now...
 
 
Posted by: United-States dtraf | September 05th, 2006 at 4:51 AM UTC

Posted by: United-States n00kie | September 04th, 2006 at 10:53 PM CDT

no the simple fact that this is a comment box and doesn't allow for a quotefest...

quote fest?
 
 
Posted by: United-States dtraf | September 05th, 2006 at 4:53 AM UTC

Posted by: United-States FainT | September 04th, 2006 at 10:58 PM CDT

He may not have gotten every specific thing right, but i do believe the prizes being handed out never happened or half of the total package was sent. Obviously a league run by a team that is participating in it is going to have its flaws and obviously have several advantages for some people. Of course madd likes to bring up drama but oh well.


when you want to complain about something i think you should be very specific and have all of your data right.
 
 
Posted by: United-States scott | September 05th, 2006 at 5:02 AM UTC

traf go home.

+i have no friends
 
 
Posted by: United-States dtraf | September 05th, 2006 at 5:06 AM UTC

can't i'm at college.. i'll be your friend if you want, however i am done here, atleast with this topic, and osi... i'm honored to be on your list at the oR forums... i finally get mentioned!

 
 
Posted by: United-States JycKyluS | September 05th, 2006 at 5:09 AM UTC

putting this trash on the frontpage disappoints me

IoG sure has come a long way since tony stopped running things
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 5:25 AM UTC

ya they realized it's a videogame
 
 
Posted by: Canada Zeratul | September 05th, 2006 at 5:54 AM UTC

You guys should apply to htgn staff so you can see the corruption first hand. Should have seen the process we used to setup matches so we had to play iog on pipeline for the finals for that tourney. Pure evil genius.
 
  » siris quote
Posted by: United-States Elle Kay | September 05th, 2006 at 6:07 AM UTC


Posted by: osiris | September 04th, 2006 at 3:04 PM CDT


You are mistaken LousyKarma while the rule the LizardKing may have cited was open flaming, all we did was continue to restate the fact that we were not going to submit to a videocast. The players doing the excessive flaming were not on our team at all but on other teams that were outraged by HTGN's poor decisions.

Secondly when are you and your pathetic team going to realize that you are the only ones that want this game to "go" somewhere. The rest of us are happy with this being an "amateur" community. I play this game for fun, not to become a pro-gamer which is obviously the fantasy that all of 705th has. Your idiotic teammate cites an example of CAL not sending you your headphones yet. Guess what, the competitive community would probably care except for the fact that it is your team that is supposed to recieve them. I don't know how to break this to you but nobody cares about you or your terrible team.




I'm not sure you're actually farmiliar with the posts I'm talking about. they were made by a persona named Osiris (a member of oR) who openly, repeatedaly and butally famed HTGN and teir staff for enforcing policies which were outlined in the league rules.

As for ENE being pathetic, you are entitled to your opinions, but please do not confuse them with facts, as you have so eloquently done in the case of oR vs HTGN.
 
 
Posted by: France shady.ki^ | September 05th, 2006 at 6:15 AM UTC

yo..

We won third in a tourny..
and I was the only one who got a prize. They said the shipping would take 4-6 weeks (LOL) and it has been like 4 months and no fucking prizes....

I am not condemning HTGN...just the failure to follow through on promised rewards makes teams not want to come back...esp with a new organization that is trying to establish credibility by promising prizes that take a year to recieve. (and never come)......
 
  » Magic is an embarassment
Posted by: United-States Elle Kay | September 05th, 2006 at 7:18 AM UTC

Posted by: Magic | September 04th, 2006 at 8:15 PM CDT


"ENE didn't watn oR banned, we wanted them to be reprimanded, there is a difference. and as far as lizard banning oR, it was b/c they openly flamed the HTGN staff, you weren't in vent m4dd, and they also didn't want a vid cast. That is in the rules that HTGN has the rights to FORCE a vid cast if they choose to do so. I think oR ended up gettin their way anyways. so what's your point?"

Then why did General ban me from vent when I asked him to explain why we got banned? Everyone knows the whole tournament was rigged and Lizard has autism. Also, Lousykarma you are such a tool haha pussy.


Call me a pussy all you want, I've proven myslef to be anything exvept a pussy by calling you out blatantly and exposing your subterfuge for what it was/is.

As far as he tourney being rigged, I'd love to see any evidence of that presented before ANYONE WHO GIVES A FUCK.

The cubject of who cares being pertinent all of a sudden. I'd like to address the issue I discussed before. AA turning pro

AA won't turn pro, not while pssimistic, apathetic fags like magic and osiris are members of the community. If you want to play for fun, drop out of CAL and play TWL ladders forever, the "real" teams will let you get #1 spots just so you'll shut the fuck up and not start gay drama over actual matches and their subsequent writeups..

CPL and CEVO laugh at CSS as the main professional event in team-esports muchless AA. CS1.6 is the mainstay, followed by CoD2, CSS, DoD, BF2 and s on until the end of the goddamn lis where AA resides.

If you peple have any motiation to make this preoccupation into an occupation, then start acting like adults and stop with the stupid flaming and drama, because everyone si sick of it.

Everyone is sick of Mad being so stupid and dramtic. Everyone is sick of oR being the center of every contraversey. the invite community is ready to get paid and get sponsired (by companies who will pay players to attend events) its just a mater of wether people who are in my position (the position to help promote the game I love) are willing to do so in light of the fucking idiotic losers who go so far out of their way to make us all ook stupid.

Madd, osiris, magic, please do us all the favor and die in a car crash so we can remember you fondly and say how much we miss yo rather than having to endure your mindless, factless banter; which, incidentally, makes the entire community look bad because of your status as exceptional players.

The question before you shold be "is HTGN realy in business to scre all of us out of...something?"

What do companies like CAL, HTGN and whomever else really owe you? what would these leagues do without an AA division? they'd do the same thing they always do... with less drama.

Read gotfrag, you never hear dama revolving around the top gaming teams in the world. 3D, complexity, MNM never kick somoee out for being outspoken or for flaming an admin or other team, they treat one another with respect and they're gracious in victory or defeat.

One of the big reasons why AA has not and seemingly will not be picke up by ANY major LAN event is because of the endless rivailry and drama within the community.

I attempted briefly to market the drama between teams as (in certain cases one can cut with with a knife; though nobody wanted to buy a shity reality show which was already in its 6th season.

I'm sick and tired of trying to sell you people and te game we all have n common to people who geneuinely unerstand it and sumply don't give a fuck becaus ehtere is no profit margin invlved.

If you ant to be a scrub forever, let it be known then. I would prefer to be a pro-AA gamer as opposed to a joke in the REAL invite community (members of whcih include the top teams in the esports industry.

I'm going to sign off now before Im fored to gve a masters lecure on why you are hurting the peopal who wants AA to become professional (no matter through HTGN, CPL, CAL or wherever.


your thrashing await h brave men.
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 8:24 AM UTC

I could defeat your post argument by argument but rather than waste my time I will only respond to your last comment

"I would prefer to be a pro-AA gamer as opposed to a joke in the REAL invite community (members of whcih include the top teams in the esports industry."

As I already said before and you neglected to notice, you are completely out of touch with the rest of the AA competitive community. You might care about AA going "pro" if you could call a videogame "pro" but the majority of us don't give a flying fuck. For gods sakes read over what you are posting are you seriously calling us a "joke in the REAL invite community (members of whcih include the top teams in the esports industry.)"? It's a fucking video game. AA isn't going to get picked up by LANs because nobody except aparently your team gives a fuck.

Let me remind you of a tournament that happened before your time in this community. Cyber X Games had a tournament with what I believe was a $5000 top prize for an AA tournament. Let me also remind you that this was at the height of AA competition with teams like .gt, check six, st-6, overrated all in or around their prime. What did we manage to put togther? One team from gt and two from st-6. The TWL-AA community was far larger then than it is now and far more competitive too and we still only managed 3 teams for a LAN promising $5000 in CASH mind you, not just shitty prizes. Now as we all know CXG fell through with their prizes but that is really irrelevant because nobody knew that beforehand. I don't know how else to explain to you how hopeless your cause is. You keep using the phrase "we" which I can only assume that you are referring to yourselves and other teams that want AA to go "pro". The problem with that is that of the top teams in AA the majority have come to the realization that this is a videogame. Obviously that is something that you have yet to realize. Keep on dreaming of becoming a pro-gamer lousykarma, personally I'm just going to have fun playing a videogame.
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 8:26 AM UTC

I also forgot to mention you keep saying "everyone" is sick of us and madd but I personally guarntee if you took a poll of the invite community of whether they hate us or 705th trash more, you would win by a landslide.
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 8:34 AM UTC

I didn't want to look through the entire HTGN thread for my posts but luckily my profile shows all my posts:

"there will be no cast

3.1.3 Team Map and Server Selections
The Upper seeded team, in regards to the HTGN brackets, shall have first selection towards the server to use for match play. The lower seeded team shall choose the side on which they wish to begin the match. As per the rules posted by 705thGeneral. See you guys there!

We will not be removing our team. We will be following the rules as they were posted and show up in our server at the default time, if 705th chooses not to show that is their choice.

Correct and your rules state that we have server choice. See you there 705th.

How proffessional of you Lizard to attack the credibility of someone posting rather than dealing with the issue at hand.
How bizare that arguably the best teams in the tournament (besides us because we are bad) all ended up in separate pools so that they didnt have to play until the semi finals. But I guess sometimes random programs just somehow manage to pick things that way.

Also what scar should have clarified was that they have side choice in all of the matches not against scub teams ( no offence to said scrub teams). But I guess it just worked out that way because of the "random program"

Actually the match will be played on our server as per the tournament rules.

3.1.3 Team Map and Server Selections
The Upper seeded team, in regards to the HTGN brackets, shall have first selection towards the server to use for match play. The lower seeded team shall choose the side on which they wish to begin the match. In case you needed help finding it in your rules Lizard.

He just made it up.

Just make sure you order some XXXL nvidia tshirts cause reaction is a monster."

I don't know about anyone else but I don't think you could say I "openly, repeatedaly and butally famed HTGN and teir staff for enforcing policies which were outlined in the league rules." The worst I did was post the HTGN rules since Lizard was having such a hard time following them. The hipocracy of 705th coming in here to tell madd his facts are wrong while they themselves are using false claims to make a failing point is laughable.
 
 
Posted by: United-States dansik | September 05th, 2006 at 1:37 PM UTC

quote by lousykarma
"The AA competittive scene is not growing, and it will continue to remain an ametuer scene until people who have influence in the community step up and make it better. The DEVs have shown almost no willingness to make AA a CPL-friendly game, so we have to find some way to make it better ourselves."

guess what dickhead, no one in ENE or HTGN has any kind of positive influence in AA. as far as 99% of the community is concerned, the sooner ENE dies the sooner we can go back to having a good game again.

another quote
"If you ant to be a scrub forever, let it be known then."

now i'm just guessing you're in ENE so...you're in ENE, not much more needs to be said.

last quote
"I'm going to sign off now before Im fored to gve a masters lecure on why you are hurting the peopal who wants AA to become professional (no matter through HTGN, CPL, CAL or wherever."

well most of the people who want AA to become pro are from ENE so most of us are happy we're ruining your dream of becoming a videogamer.

ok i lied one last qutoe
"Everyone is sick of Mad being so stupid and dramtic. Everyone is sick of oR being the center of every contraversey. the invite community is ready to get paid and get sponsired (by companies who will pay players to attend events) its just a mater of wether people who are in my position (the position to help promote the game I love) are willing to do so in light of the fucking idiotic losers who go so far out of their way to make us all ook stupid."

are you trippin on acid or something? get in touch with reality please.
 
 
Posted by: United-States dansik | September 05th, 2006 at 1:40 PM UTC

ok i lied again

"Read gotfrag, you never hear dama revolving around the top gaming teams in the world. 3D, complexity, MNM never kick somoee out for being outspoken or for flaming an admin or other team, they treat one another with respect and they're gracious in victory or defeat.

One of the big reasons why AA has not and seemingly will not be picke up by ANY major LAN event is because of the endless rivailry and drama within the community."

read gotfrag and you'll see stuff like people cheating to get out of their contract, players cutting team leaders, owners just dropping teams.

and guess what? drama is what makes things attractive. watch television dumbass, what makes up more than half of the content? drama.

now go and let general touch you some more
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 2:00 PM UTC

AA will go no where. If ENE.aa wants a game that will be going places go play 1.6 or possibly css.
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 2:05 PM UTC

"Read gotfrag, you never hear dama revolving around the top gaming teams in the world. 3D, complexity, MNM never kick somoee out for being outspoken or for flaming an admin or other team, they treat one another with respect and they're gracious in victory or defeat.

One of the big reasons why AA has not and seemingly will not be picke up by ANY major LAN event is because of the endless rivailry and drama within the community."

I want to be like dans. About 3 or so months ago, a css lan called Texas gaming festival there was tons of drama. A well known "pro" team called devastation was there and during that time, 3 members, devour remix and pr0d did not get along with their fat ass leader and so the leader decided to leave the 3 in texas with no means of getting home. Earlier in the trip, remix had lost the wallets and money so the 3 had no way of flying out of texas. The 3 were left stranded 30 hours+ away from home. If you don't call that drama you're a shit head. All games have drama and gotfrag? gets to promote it more than AA so please, don't act like you know whats going on in the e-gaming world.

Also, more drama, the former skull team, just dropped skull and went to #x3o because they were more stable. Out of the blue they quit skull. You don't call that drama?
 
  » iog 12 - 2 ene
Posted by: Netherlands LuucKy | September 05th, 2006 at 2:53 PM UTC

I'm still waiting for the newsreport on the ene website of that match. I think it is pathetic sportsmanship to write mileslong match reports if you win, but write nothing when you lose. But I guess that is "pro" nowadays.
 
 
Posted by: United-States warpain | September 05th, 2006 at 3:12 PM UTC

Yeah where that awsome news post ENE?
I sure as hell remember seeing one about how "we took down" iog on SF_DOCKSIDE. Wheres the Mckenna one? Same with jCp, they lost to oR and all of a sudden there is no site update in weeks, but wait their win with iNNo just got put on!
 
 
Posted by: United-States BlackLabel | September 05th, 2006 at 3:50 PM UTC

i think i'm goin to count my trackers v-money
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 05th, 2006 at 4:01 PM UTC

saving up for the helmet?
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 5:26 PM UTC

Don't forget warpain that they set career high deaths for 3 iog members during that match!
 
 
Posted by: Canada fąıŋt | September 05th, 2006 at 5:26 PM UTC

Aight enough guys. From now on Madd posts his articles in the featured article part of the site and you may all have a blast at that.
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 5:31 PM UTC

key not on the word "career"
 
 
Posted by: United-States Elle Kay | September 05th, 2006 at 6:16 PM UTC

You've all proven my points quite eloquently.

You cli that prizes and cash don't mater t you, yet you complain about them.

You claim that you only do this for fun, but you insist on being a pain in everyone's ass by constant flaming on multiple forums.

In fact the fcus of every arument is breaking down to a personal attack on me (which i started so I won't complain too much) or my team. Not a single person who I've seen post here has any knowledge of what goes on inside my team or the greater organization of Enervate Gaming LLC.

I don't understand why you guys are so hostile towards what were trying to do with AA which is to make it a professional game (at which time you can elect not to go professional and remain as you are).

we are not pulling strings to screw everyone in the community, we do no enjoy pissing you people off. If I had my way I'd rather be your friend, but you seem to have the entire community as your friends and I seem to have the entire community as my enemy according to the majority of you guys.

Though it seems to me like the community just hasn't taken sides between you and we.

What boles my mind is that if you just want to play and have fun, why can't we all just do that? This crap isn't fun for me, I didn't necessarily want to get involved in a flame war, as I am so out of practice I don't even have the will to win anymore.

So I'm gonna let all of my omments stand as they are, and I'm gonna be the bigger man and walk away. Because it is painfully ovious to me that a rational discussion about anything important is simply impossible against osiris. Madd I can imagine is intelligent enough to understand, analyze and interpret the things I say for what they are, but you osiris see only the fact that someone else is presenting a point of view which does not leave you looking like a gleaming hero.

I will not batle your ego, because I am woefully beyond my depth.

Nice writeup Madd, if you want to lean the truth about esportsTV and AA, send me an email and we'll talk more about that, it might just brighten your day.

ja-mata
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 6:29 PM UTC

I think that is the longest admission of defeat that I have ever read.
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 7:01 PM UTC

In my mind the truth has already been shown and I see no further need to pursue it by your means, in fact I see no real need to keep this news post up here and if you see it taken down don't be suprised.
 
 
Posted by: Canada osiris | September 05th, 2006 at 7:32 PM UTC

What do you mean no reason to keep it up? I can give you a perfectly good reason: this article, more rather the comments after it need to be preserved so that people for generations to come can see how stupid general and his band of mental midgets are.
 
 
Posted by: United-States dansik | September 05th, 2006 at 8:27 PM UTC

i have to agree with osiris.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Magic | September 05th, 2006 at 9:16 PM UTC

Lousykarma do you ever get to your point? All you do is write a bunch of mispelled sentences with your thesarasus handy saying the same thing over and over. You are the alpha degenerate.
 
 
Posted by: United-States fąıŋt | September 05th, 2006 at 9:19 PM UTC

Aight guys enough honestly. We can't lock posts and i'd rather not delete an entire article.
 
 
Posted by: Brazil RKA | September 05th, 2006 at 9:25 PM UTC

lol.

Ki wants their G5 because they are good and expensive =]

elle kay read proof much?
 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | September 05th, 2006 at 9:28 PM UTC

Enough is enough, and if we see ENE trying to start more shit here we will read that as ample proof that they want this deleted and hand out bans or simply delete their posts.
 
  » Farse
Posted by: United-States con | September 06th, 2006 at 12:56 AM UTC

Good read Madd. Informative to say the least.
 
 
Posted by: United-States Wiper | September 06th, 2006 at 2:06 AM UTC

thanks.
 
 
Posted by: United-Kingdom -hoodini- | September 06th, 2006 at 4:34 PM UTC

I was promised a lot of prizes for this LAN event. Lizard was a very hard person to contact and eventually one of the reasons why I left HTGN was because of the whole saga involved with the prizes.

I was highly disapointed to see the promised prizes turn into small prizes. However some are better than none. The prizes are still yet to come, Lizard did state the other day the prizes are still being shipped and he "will check the tracking in a minute". After that I had no response.

We will have to wait and see however I am disapointed I must say. I have now left estv, ENE and HTGN so I am staying out of it. In contrast to my disapointment the HTGN staff do work extremely hard.

We will have to wait and see.

Hoodini
 
 
Posted by: United-Kingdom -hoodini- | September 06th, 2006 at 4:35 PM UTC

I forgot to state I really enjoyed reading the article, it was very informative and I found out a lot of things that I did not know of. So in that sense thank you for an informative article.
 
  » htgn
Posted by: United-Kingdom The_Projects | September 06th, 2006 at 8:53 PM UTC

we palyed in one of its first ladders XD and htgn handled the hole situation terribly bending rules saying everone has to have full guide not 8 number guides or the team gets thrown out we found this to be the case but they sed ah no its ok to play with them they set a deadline to join the roster but then was happy to let some1 play after the deadline they had no control over the tourny they changed the rules every other second they got us to write pages of reports with ridiculus amounts of info and screenshots which was never really used to solve the problem and just messed around constantly until the match was replayed they let neither side say what they wanted to in the forums and threatend to ban any who replyed in our thread they kept deleting the threads that we were discussing this on and blamed it on the site being new this happend 2 times just fobed us off with crap every time we went to speak to lizzard or his wife on vent the list goes on .... :(
 
 
Posted by: United-States ubeen | September 07th, 2006 at 12:54 AM UTC

i retract most of my last statement after you agreed with the article. and read that you left 7o5
 
 
Posted by: United-States BlackLabel | September 07th, 2006 at 9:01 PM UTC

wtf are u smokin u poll smoker
 
 
Posted by: United-States Maynard | September 09th, 2006 at 12:03 AM UTC

fmp that is the longest sentence I have ever read.
 
 
Posted by: United-Kingdom The_Projects | September 09th, 2006 at 6:26 PM UTC

lol soz just wrote it in a rush! :(

 
 
Posted by: United-States madd | November 29th, 2006 at 7:43 AM UTC

RIP HTGN
 
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